drm wrote:You can tell the experienced (jaded?) EC hiker: no pics of Tunnel Falls (or any of the falls for that matter).
I was last up Herman Creek in early summer and it seemed so low at the trail crossing just below Noble Camp that I wondered if it would even be flowing at all up there late in the summer. Was there any water there?
Ha good point
You're only cool if you dont post pics of the falls at EC 
Ok not really, its probably less cool as most of us love to get a look at flow and volume of water in the stream/falls as well as current conditions, like when that next big log is going to come crashing down in front of punchbowl There was water in the East Fork Herman Crossing but it was looking pretty dry.
mjuliana wrote:I just need to keep telling myself that Sean is not normal and that a 12-mile day hike is just fine...Sean Thomas wrote:
BTW - I want one! How do I get my PH button?
12 mile hikes are just fine lol! The best hikes are usually in the 10-18 mile range but they can take just as long or longer than some of the 30-40 milers Ofcourse, if you're climbing/scrambling or hiking offtrail in a rough area, or even a rough trail, then just a few miles in those conditions can put 20 miles on a good trail to shame in terms of difficulty. Mainly I just like to get a full day out of it if possible, whether its 2 miles or 20 
But sometimes the 20+ers says things like, "you know you want too!" and, "you wont be sore the next day No ultra marathons, or any marathons for that matter, just a little bit of hiking each week
Actually I should probably practice sagging more often outside of the big trips but I've never really liked running I started running on the trails where as a lot of trail runners were already established athletes in some form of running or other physical activity that involved a lot of running. So they have essential skills/knowledge and experience in running but may lack experience in things many hikers are very familiar with like stream crossings, rough tread and/or scrambling situations etc. Just like running, all of those things involve learning and practice to do correctly but if you've already worked hard to be the best runner you can be, then translating that same work ethic to learning more about trails and technical aspects of trail running will probably be a big help. Also it seems once people start running in places like Forest Park and the gorge/Mt Hood etc they often begin to take interest in a lot of the things we as hikers were already interested in and/or motivated by in terms of getting out there in the first place. I guess I sort of did it backwards
I kinda stumbled into hiking to learn more about plants and to see/hear/touch all the incredible things the natural world has to offer, then started to enjoy running in that setting. A lot of runners seek these areas out with the primary focus on running in the first place. If that interest holds then hopefully all the things that motivate us as hikers to get out as often as we do in turn motivates the runner aswell. Well, that was probably way more than you wanted lol but to sum it up im basically just a "fast walker" 
